Interview with Dr. Clive Cussler
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Interview with Dr. Clive Cussler |
by Marc Levesque
Replicated with the author's permission; this article
appeared on the Time2watch
Web site.
Over the years I have been very fortunate to have reviewed
some of the finest wristwatches in the world, but nothing
has given me as much pleasure as the opportunity to
interview one of my favorite authors. At the time of
this interview, I had only read one of his books, six
months later I'm almost half way through his collection
and I'm starting to wonder what I am going to read once
I'm finished.
I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I enjoyed
putting it together.
T2W: Dr. Cussler, could you please tell us how
Dirk Pitt's world all got started?
CC: When I first started writing, I was in advertising
at the time, I was doing most of my writing on weekends.
I had studied most of the other series heroes and I
figured it would be fun for mine to be different and
put him in and around water. So I dreamed up Dirk Pitt.
In the first novel, Admiral Sandecker invites Dirk Pitt
to leave the Air Force and come with him in order to
start the National Underwater Marine Agency in Washington,
DC, which Pitt does. All of the other books deal with
Pitt's involvement with NUMA, his adventures and the
mischief he gets into.
That was in 1965. Then in 1979 during an expedition,
where I was searching for John Paul Jones' ship, the
Bonhomme Richard an Austin attorney who was a volunteer
suggested that I should incorporate as a non-profit
organization rather than just write the checks out of
my own bank account. So that is what I did and that
is how NUMA became a non-profit organization in Texas.
Therefore, yes Virginia, there really is a NUMA! (laughing)
And that was the basis for the non-fiction NUMA, which
has been the umbrella for all the expeditions and all
of the shipwrecks we've found.
As for the DOXA watch, when I was beginning my second
book, I was the creative director for a big ad agency
in L.A. My wife said jokingly, why don 't you apply
for this job? It was a $400/month job as a clerk in
a Dive shop, perfect for writing underwater books. Well,
I was just considering switching agencies and I thought
what the hell! She had a nifty job working nights at
the local police department, which worked out very well.
She had the kids during the day and I would have them
at night. That way they were never alone. I would put
the kids to bed, and then I had nothing to do and nobody
to talk to, so I would write.
I applied for the job. They had three stores and they
were shocked! They said that I was a little over qualified,
but they hired me anyway. (laughing) And after two weeks,
the guy said that there was nothing they could teach
me. Hell I've been diving since 1952 in Hawaii while
I was in the service. So I ran the store in Santa Ana,
California. I'd come up in the morning with my portable
typewriter and when business was slow, I would write.
U.S. Diver then was the distributor for the DOXA Dive
watch, the 300T. The "in" color was Orange,
but they also had silver and black, but you were "big-time"
if you had an Orange watch. So, when I left the store
I had finished my book, I shook hands with the guys
and as a present they gave me the Orange DOXA dive watch.
When I continued writing, I just had Dirk wear one too.
T2W: What are the qualities that attract you
to this watch?
CC: At the time, this watch had a huge steel
band, which most watches didn't have in those days.
We're going back, boy; I've had that piece since '69,
32 years. (laughing) It was a heavy watch, very massive
and masculine looking. People would always remark about
the thing. It was one of those you had to shake to keep
it running. I've worn it many times diving in the past
and it has never corroded or had any problems. There
was a place called House of Clocks in L.A. where every
ten years I would send my watch and they would rebuild
it.
T2W: So I understand you still have that watch?
CC: Oh, sure.
T2W: Is this the same watch you are wearing
on the rear cover of your latest book?
CC: That¹s it!
T2W: Do you feel at all responsible for the
excitement the re-issue is generating?
CC: I guess indirectly I am (laughing), with
Dirk Pitt, NUMA and all wearing a DOXA watch. I guess
if it weren't for that, they probably wouldn't be re-issuing.
I couldn't believe it when I was told they were going
to manufacture 1000 and that they were practically all
sold already. Ever since Pitt was wearing one, collectors
were dumbfounded; they were saying that it wasn't an
expensive watch, what's all the fuss about. I understand
the prices have been driven up since then; people are
even paying $1000 for them. I've met people that tell
me that they spent two years looking for one.
T2W: You stated that you used this watch while
diving. In your opinion, what makes it a good dive watch?
CC: The bezel is very useful to time your dives
and the orange face, surprisingly enough is VERY easy
to read 30-40-50 down. It was just a good solid dive
watch. I even have a US Diver's logo on mine, the distributors
at the time.
T2W: I have noticed that product description
plays a large part in your books. I understand that
Production of the movie Sahara will begin sometime in
2002. Will Dirk be wearing an Orange DOXA Diver in the
movie?
CC: I don¹t know why not, he should.
T2W: I know that Omega has a lot to do with
which watch James Bond has been wearing lately. Will
DOXA be doing any product placement?
CC: Funny you should talk about product placement
and advertising. My agent once had lunch with the advertising
manager for Rolex; they had gone to school together.
He asked him, how come you've used all these other people
in the dive industry in your ads, but never thought
of using Cussler? The advertising manager turned and
said, who's Cussler and what's he ever done? (laughing)
In this other book I had a guy with a Rolex that didn't
work so he smashed it on a rock. Every time I tell that
story, I laugh. I find that Rolex watches are vastly
overrated compared to the some of the more exotic watches
that are available today. It's still the "in"
watch, because of the advertising or whatever.
T2W: Any additional comments on your upcoming
movie?
CC: Not much to comment on, because they made
a botch of Raise the Titanic 20 years ago. I wouldn't
sell to Hollywood. Finally they gave me script, director
and casting approval, that's when I sold.
T2W: Any idea who will be cast to play Dirk,
Al and the others?
CC: Dirk is supposed top be played by Hugh Jackman*.
He's a real comer, he fits Pitt's image perfectly. The
rest of the casting will not start until January 2002.
Right now everything is just status quo. The director
is going to be Rob Bowman of X-Files fame.
T2W: You are considered one of the premier action/adventure
writers. One of the keys to your writing is your incredible
suspenseful timing. What can you say about timing and
how does it play a role in your writing?
CC: I guess the books are kind of like the old
Saturday afternoon matinee serials. Most of them were
westerns in those days. Where the hero is going off
the cliff in a car filled with dynamite and that's were
it would end, until you came back the following Saturday
to find out what happened. The books are laid out that
way, you would end a chapter on some kind cliffhanger
and then "oh my god" what happens next? So
you turn the page and start the next chapter.
T2W: I have to admit your books have been the
cause of quite a number of sleepless nights. I just
had to keep reading.
CC: (laughing) Sometimes my plot lines are so
convoluted, I get calls from friends at 3 am saying;
you SOB, you'll never pull this one off.
T2W: As a matter of fact, yesterday evening
while reading Atlantis Found, I noticed you had written
yourself into your book! I must admit I got quite a
laugh out of it. How did it come about?
CC: It was a couple of books back, where Pitt
was at a classic car club meet. He parked his old car
next to this guy, an older man with gray hair and a
gray beard. Pitt walks up and says hi my name is Dirk
Pitt and before I knew it I had typed in hello my name
is Clive Cussler. I stopped and looked around and said,
gee, why did I do that. Then I got to joking around
and had them look at each other. Then Pitt says, you
know the name sounds familiar, but I just can't place
the face. (laughing) So I just left it in as a joke,
figured the readers would get a laugh out of it. I thought
that was going to be the end of it, but then I got 300-400
letters saying how everybody liked it. So now I have
to do a Hitchcock walk on and people are waiting to
see where I come in.
T2W: On that note, can we expect to see you
in the motion picture?
CC: Yes, I will be in SAHARA. In the book I
was a prospector, but in the movie, I will be driving
an old beat-up truck and rescuing Pitt and Giordino
out in the Sahara.
T2W: In your opinion, what do you find most
exciting about deep sea diving and exploration?
CC: It's always the thrill of the unknown. Everybody
dives in the Grand Cayman or Bermuda. I don't dive in
those places anymore, after 50 years the thrill just
isn't there. I always tell everybody, go where nobody
goes! Go up into Canada or Alaska, sure it's cold water,
but you'll be seeing things nobody has seen before!
Go into the colder waters, from Vancouver up to Anchorage,
my gosh, all the sounds and all that. Nobody ever dove
there before. It's colder than hell, but if you get
a dry suit, it isn't so bad.
T2W: You have found many shipwrecks, can you
tell us which one the most important/impressive?
CC: Oh. There have been so many. Right now the
one that is the big deal is the confederate submarine,
the Hunley, which we found in Charleston. The first
submarine to sink a warship, but never came back. We
found it, raised and brought it to a laboratory where
we will be excavating it. They will be preserving it
so that someday it can go on display.
This year was pretty good, we found the Carpathia,
Which of course rescued the Titanic survivors only to
be torpedoed 6 years later off the coast of Ireland.
And the Marie Celeste, Which was the famous ghost ship
they found floating with nobody on board.
T2W: You have been writing Dirk Pitt novels
for nearly 30 years now, is it getting more difficult
as you go along or has it become easier as the character
develops?
CC: I've used so many plots in my books that
it's getting hard to be original. That's the trouble
with a series, I'm writing away when I realize I used
that same line of dialog six books back. It's become
very difficult to be original.
T2W: Are there any plans for another novel after
this latest one?
CC: I have to write at least one more, because
of the wild ending on Valhalla Rising, so I have to
continue that one.
T2W: You recently published your first non-fiction
work, could you tell us why you decided to take that
direction?
CC: So many people use to tell me that I should
write about all the shipwrecks I've found. At the time
I was busy with the Pitt books, so I worked with a fellow
named Craig Dirgo. He did a lot of the easy stuff for
me, I would write the historical part, and then he would
go through it and write some more for me. Then I would
write in where NUMA came in the picture to look for
the shipwreck and what have you.
It was an interesting story on The Sea Hunters. When
my agent went to "pitch" it to my publisher,
they just weren't interested. They literally said that
nobody reads shipwreck books. My agent insisted, well
Cussler's got a name and a following. When he came back
to me, he was quite upset; he asked what should we do?
So I said, let's go to another publisher! Well obviously
my publisher said that they couldn't have that, me going
to another publisher. So they gave in and said OK, we'll
print it, but only 50,000 copies. The sales department
said no way; we know we can sell at least 250,000. Well
the hardcover went #2 on the New York Time's bestsellers
list and the paperback went #1! We must have sold over
1 million some odd copies! (laughing) We always laugh
and called it the book that nobody wanted.
T2W: It is my understanding that it is going
to become a televised series?
CC: Yes, it's going to be called The Sea Hunters and
it will be filmed up in Nova Scotia. It will run internationally,
but I'm not certain if it will run domestically. I will
be like Arthur C. Clark; I will open and close each
episode.
T2W: Of all of your books, which is your favorite
so far?
CC: I like them all for different reasons. Night Probe
was one of my better plots, Raise the Titanic was probably
my best concept. People often ask me which car do you
like in your collection? I like them all for different
reasons.
T2W: How about explorers? Who is your favorite?
CC: The one that always intrigued me was Magellan,
who circled around the world and Drake who did it the
second time. I'm a history buff, I have a PHD in maritime
history, so for me it's just fun to follow. History
is just not being taught in schools like it used to
be. Kids today have no grasp. It is really unfortunate.
T2W: Thank you very much for this opportunity
Dr. Cussler. This interview has been the highlight of
my career so far.
CC: (Laughing)You're welcome, Mr. Levesque.
I'm sure you will have much bigger highlights in the
future.
All in all, it was a very charming and warm interview.
I could have gone on for hours and I got the impression
that he would have gone along with me. What an incredibly
humble and sincere person. As I told him, this definitely
was the highlight of my writing career. I would like
to take this opportunity to thank Carole Bartholomeaux
for all of her help with this interview. Her firm is
responsible for all of Clive Cussler's and NUMA's public
relations as well as maintaining and editing the NUMA.net
website.
Thanks for reading,
Marc Levesque
Time2watch
* Hugh Jackman was originally cast for the role
of Dirk Pitt, unfortunately due to a scheduling conflict
M. Jackman cannot play the part.
DOXA has just announced that they will be donating
ten percent of the purchase price of each DOXA SEAHUNTER
watch to NUMA. For more information please visit www.doxawatches.com.
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